MANGSA MH17 didapati MEMAKAI topeng Oksigen - Belanda FM . . .

Ahli-ahli satu kumpulan pakar antarabangsa memeriksa bangkai di tapak di mana dijatuhkan Malaysia Airlines penerbangan MH17 yang terlibat dalam kemalangan, berhampiran perkampungan Hrabove (Grabovo) di rantau Donetsk, Ukraine timur (Members of a group of international experts inspect wreckage at the site where the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed, near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo) in Donetsk region, eastern Ukraine (Reuters/Sergei Karpukhin)

tvR - Salah seorang penumpang pesawat MH17 yang ditembak jatuh di Ukraine memakai topeng oksigen, Menteri Luar Belanda Franz Timmermans berkata. Ini bercanggah dengan ayat2 baru andaian bahawa semua 298 orang di atas kapal kapal terbang mati serta-merta.

Kiev bertujuan akses ke laman web MH17 ke belakang 'pasang siap' versi kemalangan - Moscow (Kiev seeks access to MH17 site to back ‘prefabricated’ crash version – Moscow)

Komen Timmermans 'mencadangkan bahawa Boeing-777-200 ditembak jatuh 3 bulan lalu mungkin tdk jatuh selain selepas pesawat itu melanda, membunuh semua orang di atas kapal, jika sekurang-kurangnya satu penumpang kekal sedar dan berjaya menarik pada topeng oksigen.

"Orang ramai tidak mempunyai masa untuk melihat peluru berpandu yang akan datang, tetapi adakah anda tahu bahawa salah satu mangsa ditemui dengan topeng oksigen ke mulut mereka?" Kata Timmermans Khamis, HOC saluran TV dilaporkan.

"Ini bermakna bahawa seseorang mempunyai masa untuk berbuat demikian," katanya. "Sekurang-kurangnya, kita tidak boleh menolak kemungkinan ini."

Pendakwa raya Belanda telah mengesahkan bahawa satu penerbangan MH17 penumpang, warganegara Australia, ditemui dengan tali elastik topeng oksigen pada lehernya.

Ia adalah tidak diketahui "bagaimana atau bila topeng mendapat di leher mangsa," AP memetik Wim de Bruin, jurucakap pendakwa Belanda, sebagai berkata.

Pendakwa raya Belanda berkata tiada mangsa lain MH17 didapati dengan pada topeng oksigen.

MH17 Victim found WEARING Oxygen mask - Dutch FM . . .

One of the passengers of the MH17 plane shot down over Ukraine was wearing an oxygen mask, Dutch Foreign Minister Franz Timmermans has said. This new revelation contradicts assumptions that all 298 people on board the plane died instantly.

Kiev seeks access to MH17 site to back ‘prefabricated’ crash version – Moscow

Timmermans’ comments suggest that the Boeing-777-200 shot down three months ago might not have fallen apart immediately after the aircraft was hit, killing all people aboard, if at least one passenger remained conscious and managed to pull an oxygen mask on.

“People hardly had time to notice the missile coming, but do you know that one of the victims was found with an oxygen mask over their mouth?” Timmermans said Thursday, HOC TV channel reported.

“This means that someone had time to do that,” he said. “At least, we cannot rule out this possibility.”

Dutch prosecutors have confirmed that one flight MH17 passenger, an Australian citizen, was found with the elastic strap of an oxygen mask around his neck.

It is not known “how or when the mask got around the victim's neck,” AP quoted Wim de Bruin, a spokesman for Dutch prosecutors, as saying.

Dutch prosecutors said that no other MH17 victim was found with an oxygen mask on.

Ahli-ahli Kementerian Kecemasan Ukraine berkumpul dan badan-badan tempat di lokasi kemalangan Penerbangan Malaysia MH17 Penerbangan, berhampiran perkampungan Hrabove, rantau Donetsk (Members of the Ukrainian Emergencies Ministry gather and place bodies at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, near the village of Hrabove, Donetsk region (Reuters/Maxim Zmeyev)

Magomed Talboev, bekas juruterbang ujian atas Rusia, memberitahu Slon.ru ba-hawa mencari seorang mangsa MH17 dgn pd topeng oksigen tidak semestinya bercanggah sebelum ini andaian mengenai kematian serta-merta semua orang di atas kapal.

"Beberapa saat dapat melepasi sebelum pesawat hancur," kata Talboev "Ini sudah cukup untuk merebut topeng yang jatuh secara automatik di hadapan muka anda dan meletakkannya di atas -. Ini adalah [survival] naluri".

Pesawat Malaysia Airlines telah ditembak jatuh pada 17 Julai, terbang dari Amsterdam di Belanda ke Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Ia terhempas berhampiran Torez, penyelesaian 60 kilometer dari sempadan Rusia, dalam Warzone di mana tentera Ukraine berjuang Donetsk daya self-defense forces. Semua 283 penumpang dan 15 anak kapal mati.

Oleh kerana kebanyakan mangsa, 196 penumpang, adalah rakyat Belanda, Lem-baga Keselamatan Belanda (DSB) mengetuai dan menyelaras penyiasatan kum-pulan antarabangsa pakar.

Sebulan yang lalu, pada 9 September, DSB mengeluarkan laporan awal ke dalam kemalangan itu, berkata pesawat itu "berpecah di udara, mungkin akibat kero-sakan struktur yang disebabkan oleh sebilangan besar objek tinggi tenaga yang menembusi pesawat dari luar. "

Semua orang di atas kapal mati serta-merta kerana penyahmampatan serta-merta, kata laporan itu, tanpa menyebut apa-apa penggunaan topeng oksigen.

Oleh kerana operasi ketenteraan aktif telah berterusan berhampiran lokasi kemalangan MH17, pakar-pakar forensik tidak dapat untuk mendapatkan semula bukti di atas tanah, dan tidak semua mayat dijumpai pada 3 bulan. Selepas per-janjian gencatan senjata 5 September telah dicapai antara pihak2 yang bertelagah, aktiviti penyiasatan di zon lokasi kemalangan disambung semula.

Setakat ini, mayat 251 mangsa MH17 telah dikenal pasti oleh pegawai-pegawai Belanda di The Hague.

Magomed Talboev, Russia's former top test pilot, told Slon.ru that finding one MH17 victim with an oxygen mask on does not necessarily contradict previously assumptions about the immediate death of everyone aboard.

"A couple of seconds could pass before the plane disintegrated,” Talboev said. “This is enough to grab a mask that falls automatically in front of your face and put it on – this is [survival] instinct."

The Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down on July 17, flying from Amsterdam in the Netherlands to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. It crashed near Torez, a settlement 60 kilometers from the Russian border, in the warzone where Ukrainian troops were fighting Donetsk self-defense forces. All 283 passengers and 15 crewmembers died.

Because most of the victims, 196 passengers, were Dutch citizens, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) is leading and coordinating the investigation of an international group of experts.

One month ago, on September 9, the DSB issued a preliminary report into the crash, saying that the plane “broke up in the air, probably as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside.”

Everyone onboard died instantly because of immediate decompression, the report said, without mentioning any use of oxygen masks.

Because active military operations were continuing near the MH17 crash site, forensic experts were unable to recover evidence on the ground, and not all the bodies have been recovered three months on. After the Sept. 5 ceasefire agreement was reached between the warring parties, investigation activities at the crash site zone resumed.

So far, the bodies of 251 MH17 victims have been identified by Dutch officials in The Hague.

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KIEV bertujuan Akses ke laman MH17 dari BELAKANG versi 'pasang SIAP' Kemalangan - MOSCOW . . .

Seorang anggota Kementerian Kecemasan berjalan di tapak sebuah Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 kapal terbang terhempas berhampiran penyelesaian Grabovo di rantau Donetsk, 17 Jul 2014 (An Emergencies Ministry member walks at a site of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash near the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, July 17, 2014 (Reuters/Maxim Zmeyev)

tvR - Perkhidmatan Keselamatan Ukraine bertujuan utk mencapai lokasi kemalan-gan penerbangan MH17 Malaysia utk mereka-reka sekurang-kurangnya beberapa bukti yang akan membolehkan Kiev menyembunyikan punca sebenar bencana dari DUNIA, kata kementerian pertahanan Rusia.

"Kita tidak boleh berasa marah tetapi tentang satu lagi percubaan oleh ketua per-khidmatan keselamatan Ukraine untuk menggunakan dakwaan benar2 tidak berasas dlm usaha utk memujuk orang ramai dakwaan penglibatan tentera Rusia dalam bencana Boeing yg di langit Ukraine," wakil rasmi Kemen-terian Pertahanan, Mejar Ketua Igor Konashenkov, semalam.

Beliau merujuk kepada dakwaan bahawa sebelum ini yg dibuat oleh Perkhidmatan Keselamatan Negara Ukraine Ketua Valentin Nalivaychenko bercakap Channel Ukraine 5 mengenai "pemahaman" Kiev satu punca kemalangan Boeing Malaysia.

Nalivaychenko mendakwa penyiasat Ukraine dan pakar-pakar antarabangsa kini perlu melawat tapak kemalangan itu hanya utk mencari "apa yang masih hilang" untuk menyokong versi Kiev mengenai peristiwa.

Hakikat bahawa ketua keselamatan Ukraine "sepenuhnya" memahami butir-butir kemalangan Konashenkov terkejut, terutamanya kerana siasatan suruhanjaya antarabangsa belum lagi ditubuhkan mereka. Walau bagaimanapun, apa yg dike-nali sebagai penyiasat Ukraine masih perlu mencari sekurang-kurangnya bebe-rapa bukti untuk menyokong mereka entah bagaimana "Mengetahui," katanya.

BACA lagi: MH17 berpecah di udara akibat kerosakan luaran - Laporan awal Belanda (READ MORE: MH17 broke up in mid-air due to external damage - Dutch preliminary report)

Percubaan yang dibuat oleh Kiev untuk mencari "bukti yang hilang" untuk menyo-kong versi direka terlebih dahulu mengesahkan kebijaksanaan popular yg terkenal - "hati nurani tidak selesa mengkhianati dirinya sendiri," kata Ketua.

"Saya ingin ingat bahawa para komander yang dipanggil operasi 'anti-pengganas' di tenggara Ukraine, termasuk Nalivaychenko sendiri, adakah mereka sedaya upaya untuk menghalang siasatan antarabangsa dari melawat tapak kemalangan pesawat," Konashenkov menyatakan .

Tentera Ukraine melancarkan serangan besar-besaran terhadap militia berham-piran Torez - berdekatan dengan lokasi kemalangan MH17 - menggunakan bebe-rapa pelancar roket Uragan, Grad dan Smerch untuk menghapuskan bahan bukti yang sedia ada, kata Ketua.

KIEV Seeks Access to MH17 Site to back ‘prefabricated’ 

Crash Version – MOSCOW . . .

Ukrainian Security Service seeks to reach the crash site of the Malaysian MH17 flight to fabricate at least some evidence which will allow Kiev to conceal the true causes of the catastrophe from the world, said Russia’s Defense ministry.

“One cannot but feel angry about yet another attempt by the Ukrainian security service chief to use absolutely groundless allegations in a bid to persuade the public of alleged Russian military involvement in the Boeing disaster in the skies over Ukraine,” Defense Ministry official representative, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said on Wednesday.

He referred to claims that were earlier made by Ukraine’s National Security Service Head Valentin Nalivaychenko speaking on Ukraine's Channel 5 about Kiev’s “full understanding” of the causes of the Malaysian Boeing's crash.

Nalivaychenko claimed that Ukrainian investigators and international experts now must visit the site of the crash only to search for “what is still missing” to back the Kiev’s version of events.

The fact that the Ukrainian security chief “fully” understands the details of the crash surprised Konashenkov, especially since the international commission’s investigation has not yet established them. However, the so-called Ukrainian investigators still have to find at least some evidence to somehow support their “full knowledge,” he added.

READ MORE: MH17 broke up in mid-air due to external 

damage - Dutch preliminary report

The attempt made by Kiev to look for the “missing evidence” to back up a version fabricated in advance confirms the well-known popular wisdom – “an uneasy conscience betrays itself,” said the General.

“I would like to recall that the commanders of the so-called ‘anti-terrorist’ operation in the southeast of Ukraine, including Nalivaychenko himself, did their utmost to prevent an international inquiry from visiting the site of the plane's crash,” Konashenkov stated.

The Ukrainian troops launched a massive offensive against militias near Torez – close to MH17 crash site – using multiple rocket launchers Uragan, Grad and Smerch to eliminate the existing material evidence, the General said.

READ MORE: Russia fears Kiev trying to destroy implicating MH17 evidence (BACA lagi: Russia takut Kiev cuba untuk memusnahkan bukti membabitkan MH17)

Seorang anggota tentera self-defenses forces pengawal di lokasi kemalangan daripada Il-76 Ukraine pesawat pengangkutan tentera di Luhansk 14 Jun 2014 (An armed member of self-defenses forces stands guard at the site of the crash of the Il-76 Ukrainian army transport plane in Luhansk June 14, 2014 (Reuters/Shamil Zhumatov)

Beliau menegaskan bahawa tindakan ketenteraan diambil bertentangan dengan kenyataan rasmi Kiev mengenai penggantungan permusuhan dan sudah tentu dalam tahu dengan Nalivaychenko.

Nampaknya 3 bulan selepas kemalangan - selepas melengkapkan siasatan tragedi Odessa dan kebakaran yang mengorbankan lebih 40 orang dan peristiwa-peristiwa Maidan - yang "berat sebelah" penyiasat Ukraine mendapati masa untuk membantu suruhanjaya antarabangsa mengenai kemalangan MH17, kata Konashenkov.

BACA lagi: Odessa pembunuhan beramai-ramai probe memalsukan? Keputusan Parlimen letupan ahli siasatan 'disunting' (READ MORE: Odessa massacre probe falsified? Parliament inquiry member blasts ‘redacted’ results)

"Kita hanya boleh tertanya-tanya apa yang menghalang kepimpinan Ukraine sepanjang tempoh ini utk berkongsi munasabah 'pemahaman' mereka [kemalan-gan menyebabkan] dgn suruhanjaya penyiasatan antarabangsa ke dlm kemalan-gan MH-17?"

"Atau sekurang-kurangnya untuk menjawab secara terbuka persoalan mengenai keadaan minit terakhir sebelum kemalangan pesawat Malaysia, yg tlh diumumkan secara rasmi oleh Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia?"

BACA lagi: 10 lagi soalan tentera Rusia menimbulkan ke Ukraine, US lebih MH17 kemalangan (READ MORE: 10 more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash)

Jurucakap Kementerian Pertahanan berkata beliau keliru bahawa probe Kiev sedang dilakukan oleh yg baru yg dilantik penyiasat perkhidmatan keselamatan Ukraine dan bukan profesional yang berpengalaman, yang bertentangan dengan norma-norma antarabangsa.

"Sudah tentu, 'profesional' hanya itu, sebagai Perkhidmatan Keselamatan Negara penyiasat Ukraine boleh mencari - di kawasan yang dibajak oleh Graduan Ukraine dan Uragans - keterangan yg dicari oleh Nalivaychenko, yg, menurut rancangan-nya, akan membantu menyembunyikan daripada Suruhanjaya Antarabangsa punca sebenar tragedi itu, " kesimpulan Ketua.

Pesawat Malaysia Airlines di laluan dari Amsterdam ke Kuala Lumpur dengan 298 orang di atas kapal terhempas di rantau Donetsk Ukraine pada 17 Julai Majoriti mereka dlm kapal terbang - yg didakwa ditembak jatuh - adalah rakyat Belanda.

BACA lagi: Belanda awal laporan kemalangan MH17 meninggalkan terlalu banyak soalan - Rusia (READ MORE: Dutch preliminary MH17 crash report leaves too many questions – Russia)

Laporan awal mengenai kemalangan jet Malaysia yg dibuat oleh pasukan antara-bangsa yang diketuai oleh pakar2 Belanda pada September hanya mengesahkan bahawa pesawat telah ditembak jatuh. Berikutan laporan itu, utusan PBB Rusia, Vitaly Churkin, berkata bahawa dengan begitu banyak tempat-tempat kosong itu "tidak banyak untuk memajukan pemahaman kita tentang apa yang berlaku."

He stressed that these military actions were taken contrary to Kiev's official statements about the suspension of hostilities and of course with Nalivaychenko in the know.

It seems that three months after the crash – upon completing the investigation of the Odessa tragedy and fire that killed over 40 people and the Maidan events – the “impartial” Ukrainian investigators found time to aid the international commission on the MH17 crash, said Konashenkov.

READ MORE: Odessa massacre probe falsified? Parliament 

inquiry member blasts ‘redacted’ results

“One can only wonder what prevented the Ukrainian leadership throughout this period to reasonably share their ‘understanding’ [of the crash causes] with the international investigative commission into the MH-17 accident?”

“Or at least to publicly answer questions about the circumstances of the last minutes before the crash of the Malaysian aircraft, which have been officially announced by the Russian Defense Ministry?”

READ MORE: 10 more questions Russian military pose 

to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash

The spokesman of the Defense Ministry said he was confused that Kiev’s probe is being carried out by Ukrainian security service’s freshly-appointed investigators instead of experienced professionals, as opposed to international norms.

“Of course, only such ‘professionals’, as Ukraine’s National Security Service investigators can find – in the area plowed by Ukrainian Grads and Uragans – the evidence sought by Nalivaychenko, which, according to his plan, will help conceal from the International Commission the true causes of the tragedy,” the General concluded.

The Malaysia Airlines plane on route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 298 people aboard crashed in Ukraine's Donetsk region on July 17. The majority of those on the plane – which was allegedly shot down – were citizens of the Netherlands.

READ MORE: Dutch preliminary MH17 crash report leaves 

too many questions – Russia

The preliminary report on the Malaysian jet crash made by the international team headed by Dutch experts in September only confirmed that the plane was shot down. Following the report, Russia’s UN envoy, Vitaly Churkin, said that with so many blank spots it “did little to advance our understanding of what happened.”

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